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Jim Zirin speaks with Adam Segal.

The Russians hacked the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s private server. The North Koreans hacked SONY. The U.S. hacked Angela Merkel’s cell phone and Dilma Rouseff’s email. The U.S. and the Israelis hacked Iran’s nuclear installation in Natanz, and set the program back for at least five years. Council on Foreign Relations cyber-security expert Adam Segal tells Jim that whether on offense or defense, America lives in a new hacked world order.

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